Last night we watched the episode of the Daily Show where Jon Stewart talks about Greek public debt being 44,000 per capita, and U.S. public debt being 45,000. Interesting stuff (more interesting to me was that Goldman Sachs helped the Greeks con the EU into letting them into the Euro, which I had not previously realised - is there no end to their iniquity?!)
And the point Jon Stewart was making was of course not that the US is about to collapse whilst throwing yoghurt at policemen, but that the Greeks at least used their debt to do nice things for their people. Like letting them retire at an age that even I, as a European, think is crazy.
However, I had already been wondering how come Greece is falling to bits while the US is actually not doing too badly. So I went and did some research. I typed "debt per GDP Greece" into Google, which was distinctly unhelpful, and then I typed in "debt per capita Greece" and came up with
this blog post. Which was much more helpful in that it linked me straight to
Wikipedia's list of countries by public debt, which I hadn't thought of trying yet and for some reason Google had not suggested to me!
In brief, it's still rather unconclusive, because although Greece's debt as a percentage of GDP is way nhigher than the US (130% compared to 92%), the US has a way higher debt than Spain (65%) and yet Spain is also having riots about austerity measures. Whereas Japan has way, way higher debt than anyone else (225%!) and is not having any riots at all, as far as I can tell. So that's not the whole story.
As an aside, if you know what the whole story is, please educate me. I'm rubbish at economics. In fact I once failed a very important (to me) interpreting exam because they gave me an economics speech to interpret and I hadn't the faintest idea. (To be fair, if you heard "Bretton Woods" in Spanish and you had never previously heard of Bretton Woods, you would also have a hard time recognising the English words! But the rest was inexcusable).
However, that wasn't my main point. The blog I referenced above had a second
link. You can go ahead and read it if you like, I'll wait for you.
Ok. So in case you didn't read it, it takes you through to a Politifact analysis of Jon Stewart's recent statement regarding polls showing that Fox viewers are the most consistently misinformed. They find this statement to be
false. However, I'm not convinced. Don't get me wrong here, they may well be right, but I have a slight problem with their methodology. (You may have trouble following my reasoning here if you didn't at least skim the politifact article. Sorry.)
Firslty, they don't specify whether they're responding to "polls show that" or "Fox viewers are consistently misinformed". The article flip-flops back and forth between talking about whether people are misinformed or whether the polls show it. By the time I got to the end, I was fairly clear that polls do not prove anything much one way or the other. I liked what Pew said in the article about not being able to tell what knowledge people had before watching a given news channel, but it rather discredits politifact's use of all the studies named, which focus on whether people have certain specific bits of knowledge or not, to determine how misinformed viewers of a given outlet are. And yet the article in general can and will now be used to show that Fox viewers are not misinformed and viewers of other shows are. So that annoyed me a bit. But fair enough, Jon Stewart was wrong to say that polls consistently show these results.
However, that does not mean that Fox viewers are not the most misinformed (or that they are, either).
But secondly, there's a difference between
ill-informed - meaning you've not bothered to become informed, like some of the people in the survey who said they don't watch any (of those) news outlets and could therefore quite reasonably be excluded from the study - and
misinformed, which means that someone has received false information.
For instance: who is the current prime minister of Britain?
If you just thought "David Cameron", of course you're right. Unless you are reading this from the Future. :-) If you just thought "um, Gordon Brown?" well, to quote Smaug the dragon: your information is antiquated. So are you misinformed or ill-informed? Well unless someone actually told you this morning that the current PM is Gordon, you're ill-informed. And your news outlet is almost certainly not responsible.
Whereas someone who claims Obama was born in Kenya, because XYZ News says so, is misinformed - they have chosen to believe false information given by a third party. Of course they don't know it's false, otherwise they wouldn't believe it.
As a result, the polls included are flawed - they're not actually about what he said. Or alternatively, what he said isn't what he meant, also a possibility. Quite apart from what I mentioned above about not being able to tell what people already knew from other sources before the news got involved.
My third quibble would be with the inclusion in the studies of the press and radio. Stewart said "viewers". Someone who reads the Financial Times is not a viewer. Neither is someone who listens to BBC Radio4. If your primary source of news is not on TV, you shouldn't really be included. Yet another flaw in the research. But I do understand that Politifact were limited in terms of what existing polls they could use.
However. Surely a reasonably accurate and quick way of finding out whether Fox viewers are the most consistently misinformed is to simply look at Politifact's own database. Which news organisation consistently gives out more information that Politifact rates as "false"? That network's viewers can be considered the most consistently misinformed, whether they choose to believe the misinformation or not. Now this does not count as a poll, presumably, unless each article is based on a poll of other pieces of research, as this particular one was. Or unless you're allowed to count each article as having a yes or no vote to the questions "does Fox/NBC/CNN misinform its viewers?"
An alternative way of deciding who is misinformed - this would not help with the "every poll shows it" aspect however - would be to devise a poll of your own, which would begin with "which news network do you primarily watch?" and perhaps allow you a second choice too, and would continue with such questions as:
Has your primary network ever reported as fact that
- Obama was born in Kenya?
- We found evidence of WMDs in Iraq?
- Saddam Hussein was involved with AlQaeda
- the Republicans want to take us back to Jim Crow laws
- Paul Ryan's medical proposals would allow your insurance to deny you coverage for pre-existing conditions
- Under Obama, the US has doubled its exports
and so on (I took the last three of those from Politifact, which reports them as basically false).
Anyway. There we are. I enjoyed writing this, and while browsing politifact for my final three questions I happened to see that many, many other readers, including one of the polling agencies listed, have in fact
written in to Politifact to complain about some of the same issues I raise here. As yet they appear not to have answered these queries, but I daresay they will eventually, and it will be interesting to see what they say.